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文俊杰|"寄居"是与生俱来的


"文俊杰,前金山毒霸程序员,作品曾在日本展出,却因没有固定工作无法办理签证。开了一家没有固定场所的画廊,广受好评。"文/黄河


问:黄河

答:文俊杰


1. 请形容一下你的创作方向和兴趣。

我的创作主要关注空间和环境,通常是在已有空间中营造局部或全局的环境,也有部分工作是反向的,从空间和环境中提取物质或非物质的凝聚物。


2. 你的出生地是目前的居住地(广州市)吗?

我出生在湖南永州,在长沙上大学,毕业后去珠海工作,2008年又去了北京,2014年回到广州。


3. 你目前的创作和居住地有多大的关系?

有些作品跟我生活的城市有比较紧密的联系,是在日常的相处中感受到了,去做一件作品。有些是邀约在地项目,需要根据项目环境来进行创作。对时空的构建也是我工作的重心,这类创作并没有明确的实际落脚点,可能只是来自我的一个构想。


4. 可否谈谈你住过的地方,和你"寄居"的经验?

我住过的地方确实蛮多的,一直在变换生活环境,有些时间很短,有些可能几年几十年。城中村和独栋别墅,我都住过,我没有刻意去挑选,只是顺势而为,在合适的时机去住了。我的居住环境不算好,但也不糟糕,住过这么多地方,已经很容易适应一个环境,但我还是向往相对舒适的地方。 从2009年初做寄居计划到现在,已经过了快9年,寄居早已成为我的生命常态。每到一个地方,尽快适应并进入角色,才能安下心来,我想做到即插即用。新的环境带来新的可能,但也带来迷失和不安。我有时跟人谈话会走神,肉体在一个城市,意识在另一个城市。走在街上或坐在车里,我也常常会误以为自己在另一个城市。寄居计划给了我很大的能量,不仅赋予了我对环境的适应能力也让我有了分身之术。


5. 你怎么看待人在国内不同地方流动与穿梭的现象?

生命的本质在于流动,不仅仅是肉体的流动。宅男宅女也很流动的。这样一个再普遍不过的现象,我们每个人都习以为常,谈论的太多了。可能我们现在仍然是在谈论流动,但早已不需要表明,我们在细节上的把握和感受才是现在的核心。


6. 曾经作为一名职业程序员,是怎样开始对艺术创作的兴趣?

如果要跟一个艺术家讲溯源,那就得聊聊他的出生、家庭和成长。我爷爷写了一辈子文字,我爸爸做了一辈子衣服,在这样一个环境中长大,很难说我是哪天开始喜欢上艺术的。从幼儿到成年这十几二十年可能是在无意识创作。上大学学习计算机专业知识,远离了成长的环境,很多在老家做的事,可能在新的环境中没有感受到一个合适的氛围,就做的少。我花了很多时间学习自己感兴趣的专业课,看电影,玩游戏,睡觉。大学毕业后,上班有了工资,开始旅游、户外、摄影,特别是旅游和户外,作为成长期经历的升级版,让我很自然地回到了那个熟悉和适应的状态。相比上大学前的无意识创作和大学四年的暂停,熟练使用互联网后,我了解到了更多的信息,开始进入有意识创作阶段。2005年我买了一部富士S7000,拍些花花草草、人像、风景,但没过多久这些就不能满足我了,PS、布景、表演随之进入我的创作。


7. 你认为是什么促生了人在城市里"寄居"的状态?

寄居,不是促生的,是与生俱来的。在城市是寄居,在乡村又何尝不是呢?寄居更多的是心理状态和生命状态,我们对这一状态的调整,直接关系到生命的品质,这是每个人都在面临的。


8. 可否谈谈"寄居画廊"?

寄居画廊Jiju Gallery是一个很好的尝试,是我之前在全国30多个城市寄居455天后的一种延伸,希望我的经验可以帮助到其他艺术家。去年我们做了三个展览,收到的评价都还挺正面,今年已经有好几个场地愿意跟我们合作。目前的展览安排是一年3-5个,搭配一些灵活机动项目。经过一年的运营,寄居画廊的盈利模式也在慢慢明晰,我们是一家画廊,同时也是一家艺术服务提供商。


9. 你认为你的创作是愤怒的吗?

这是一种误解,我的作品可能有冲突,但这不一定是愤怒,可能是对空间的扩撑和对空间内部物的催化。


10. 最希望他人了解你哪个/哪些作品?

我赞同行为艺术家刘成瑞跟我说的话,我的有些作品没有受到重视,虽然我获了个奖,但重视还不够。除了大家熟悉的寄居计划,我还想推荐寄居计划的前传:《寻找那28人 Searching For That 28 Persons》,这件作品做了快10年了,至今没有展出过。


11. 如果可能,你希望向观看你作品的人提出哪些问题?

想问问他们在我营造的环境里是否可以时空穿越,也想问问他们,有没有通过某个点进入到了他们的时空。


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Sojourn Is Inborn


"Wen Junjie is a former Kingsoft programmer. Having had works shown in Japan, he didn't manage to get a visa regardlessly due to his lacking of a permanent job. He opened a gallery without a permanent venue, and it's widely-acclaimed." Text/Huang He


Q: Huang He

A: Wen Junjie


Q1: Describe a little bit about the focus of your art works and interests, please.

A: My works mainly focus on space and the surroundings. Normally I'd create the part or the whole of surroundings in one given space; sometimes, I'd do it the other way around, picking up material or non-material extracts from the space and surroundings.


Q2: Is your birthplace also your current residency (Guangzhou)?

A: I was born in Yongzhou, Hu'nan. My college years were spent in Changsha. After graduation, I worked in Zhuhai. Later on in 2008, I went to Beijing, and eventually to Guangzhou in 2014.


Q3: How are your current art works related to where you live?

A: Some of my works are very closely tied to the cities I have lived in. When I get an inspiration from daily experiences, I'd start working on it. In some cases where I get invited to participate in a project, I'd base my works on the project surroundings. Another emphasis of my works is the construction of time and space. Without a specific foundation, artistic creation of such kind may be built solely on my own perception.


Q4: Can you tell us about the places you've lived in, and your experience of "sojourning"?

A: I've lived in quite a lot of different places, constantly changing the living environments. In some places, I stayed only for a short time; in others, I stayed longer, probably for years or more. I have lived both in the downtown village and detached villas. Instead of choosing deliberately, I simply go where life takes me, and settle down in one place at the right time. My living environment is neither desirable nor terrible. With the rich experience of moving from places to places, I've already become pretty adaptable to different surroundings; nonetheless, I still long to live in places that are relatively cozy and comfortable. It's been almost nine years since the Sojourn Project started in early 2009. The state of sojourning has already been a routine in my life. Whenever I move to a new environment, I try to adapt as quickly as possible so that I could feel at ease. The purpose of doing so is to guarantee my adaptability. New environments bring about new possibilities, at the same time, a sense of loss and insecurity. Sometimes I'd get absent-minded when talking to others, which means my body resides in one city, while my consciousness in another. Very often I'm under the delusion of being in a different city as I'm walking on the streets or sitting in a bus. The Sojourn Project has provided me with a great deal of strength. I've been taught not only the adaptability to new environments, but also the trick of replication.


Q5: What's your opinion on the Chinese migrants who constantly move from one city to another?

A: The essence of life lies in movements. Our bodies move. Homebodies move too. It's only normal. Every one of us has got used to movements and migration, the discussion of which has been going on for too long and still continues. The matter itself need no clarification. What matters now is the mastery of details and our feelings.


Q6: As a former professional programmer, how did you become interested in artistic creation?

A: In terms of when, where and how an artist comes into being, one has to look back on his birth, family and upbringing. My grandpa spent his whole life on literature, and my father make cloths for living, when grow up in such environment, its really hard to say which point do I began to into art. My unconscious artistic creation lasted from my childhood till adulthood, adding up to one to two decades. In college, my major was Computer. Far away from my hometown and things I was familiar with back home, I was much less involved in artistic creation, probably because I didn't feel the vibe in the new environment. I spent a great deal of time studying specialized courses that interested me, watching movies, playing games, and sleeping. After graduation, I began to work and earn salary. Thus, I started to travel, take part in outdoor activities and photography. Travel and outdoor activities in particular, in a more sophisticated way compared with my experience during adolescence, have naturally brought me back to the state I was most familiar and comfortable with. In contrast with my unconscious artistic creation before college, and the long lull of four years in college, my intentional and conscious artistic creation began since I could skillfully use the Internet and got access to a larger body of information. I bought a Fuji S7000 camera in 2005, using it to take photos of plants, people and scenery. However, I soon started to want more. Not long after, Photoshop, settings and performance became part of my works as well.


Q7: In your opinion, what has triggered the state of "sojourning" in cities?

A: The state of sojourning is not triggered, but rather, inborn. In cities, it's defined as sojourn. Isn't it just the same case in rural area? Sojourn is more of a psychological as well as living state. Our adjustment to such a state is directly associated with our quality as living beings. That is a problem confronting everyone.


Q8: Can you talk about "Jiju Gallery"?

A: Jiju Gallery is a delightful attempt, an extension to the previous 455 days during which I've sojourned in over 30 cities across the country. I hope my experience can be useful to other artists. Last year, we organized three exhibitions, all of which have received rather positive comments. This year, several organizers have expressed their interest in working with us. Our current plan is to stage 3-5 exhibitions each year, along with a few random flexible projects. After one year of operation, the profit model of Jiju Gallery is gradually coming to light. It is a gallery, at the same time, a provider of art services.


Q9: Do you think your works are angry?

A: Such an idea is a misinterpretation on my works. There may be confrontation in my works, but not necessarily anger. My works can be seen as an expansion of space and the fermentation of the internal substance in space.


Q10: Which works of yours do you want the public to know of most?

A: I agree with what Liu Chengrui, a performance artist, once told me. He said that some of my works have not been properly valued. Despite the fact I've been given an award, still my works are yet to be taken more seriously. Besides the Sojourn Project that people are familiar with, I'd also like to recommend Searching for That 28 Persons, the prelude to Sojourn Project. This piece of work was finished almost ten years ago, and has not yet been exhibited so far.


Q11: If possible, what questions would you like to raise to your audience?

A: I'd like to ask if they can time-travel in the environment I've created. Also, I want to ask if they can enter their own space and time through a certain point. 



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寻找那28人 Searching For That 28 Persons

A4打印 A4 print

2008


这是一个以2008年10月21日文俊杰28岁生日为理由而进行的基于人际关系的网络测试,分为A(2008.10.11-10.20)、B(2008.10.22-10.31)两部分。

This is a internet test base on interpersonal relationship which happens in 21th Oct 2008, Wen Junjie's birthday, there are two parts of this test: A (Oct 11 - Oct 20, 2008), B (Oct 22 - Oct 31, 2008). 



A:从2008年10月11日到2008年10月20日这10天时间里,在网络上发帖寻找28位志愿者,每位志愿者往我的银行账号中打入100元钱,这些钱将用于下一件作品的开销。帖子发布10天后截止,有1位志愿者参与进来,给我打了100元钱。

A: From Oct 11, 2008 to Oct 20, 2008, searching for 28 volunteers by posted on internet, every volunteer should put 100 RMB in my account, the money will be used for the next work. After the request has been posted, within 10 days, there is 1 volunteer came in and gave me 100 RMB.


银行汇款单如上图所示。

The picture above is the bank remittance.



部分网友评论:

Some of the users comments: 


2008-10-12 21:55:29 7up(北京)

我说艺术家,这不叫行为艺术,如果你想玩真的行为艺术,那就让大家留账户,你往大家的账户里打钱。


2008-10-12 22:21:36 伯森(北京)

明显是个骗子啊


2008-10-13 09:02:49 冬少milo-七〇八〇(上海)

建议啊,以往作品给个链接看看,让大家有个了解~


2008-10-13 22:04:39 火柴~ (北京)

被震惊了,行为艺术?除了你能白拿2800块有何艺术所在?有什么想表现的主题么?的确,肯定不是骗钱,而是像乞丐一样直接找人要钱,到底哪艺术了?艺术这俩字都哭了。请别随便用你那塞屎的大脑侮辱艺术俩字。


2008-10-13 22:08:56 老木|我的肠在空中飘着 (广州)

这个行为艺术的真实目的在于观察各位的反应


2008-10-14 01:52:21 张乖 (北京)

"我被震了小组"观光团到此一游


2008-10-16 14:17:14 这么远那么近 (上海)

恩我觉得挺好的,就是有点不方便。起码对于我来说,其实可以将话费啊支付宝来用,专门去银行一次,我觉得不方便哦。

不过仍然感觉热血沸腾的!加油!


2008-10-18 15:43:46 老阿飞—实在不想承认我快25了 (青岛)

整个行为过程和银行交易单据将构成一个基于网络测试的行为概念作品。

写的很清楚了,不管是汇钱还是没汇钱,只要是有回帖反映,这个作品的目的也就达到了。





B:从2008年10月22日到2008年10月31日这10天时间里,在网络上发帖寻找28位志愿者,每位志愿者提供一个银行账号,我给他们打100元钱。帖子发布10天后截止,收到6位志愿者的银行账号,我从这些账号中随机抽取一个,将10天前收到的那100元钱打入。

B: From Oct 22, 2008 to Oct 31, 2008, searching for 28 volunteers by posted on internet, every volunteer provides a bank account to me, I'll put 100 RMB in those accounts. After the request has been posted, I received 6 volunteers' accounts, and I picked one randomly, put the 100 RMB which I received 10 days ago in the account.


银行汇款单如上图所示。

The picture above is the bank remittance.



部分网友评论:

Some of the users comments: 



2008-10-22 01:12:19 豆根 (上海)

你竟然想揭示人性的本质


2008-10-22 01:37:07 大懒糖 (北京)

不知道你想干嘛

我是拍照片的

能帮上你么?


2008-10-22 05:42:42 唐小糖•平心静气

这是在抽奖么???


2008-10-22 08:45:16 神奇小JM 累死我了累死我了 (广州)

没看懂你想做什么,。。

没办法我是俗人理解不了行为艺术


2008-10-24 17:41:31 苏佾|我等我們的11月。

- -||||

真的很有趣

一个试验么


2008-10-24 17:44:54 fayeme☆就剩一点龟毛。

志愿者除了得到100元钱 和 被曝光名字 还有什么?


2008-10-27 23:54:30 灌水~是一种境界!

您还跟这儿发财呐


2008-10-29 17:44:11 猪艾兔 (宁波)

你是不是以钱为作品,将一些人提供的资金按人们信任的方式再传出去。

这样100块最终会落在一个"贪心的人"。而你是这个主导者。

窥探到的是人们之间的信任极限


2008-10-30 22:42:03 夜,闭上双眼不说话 (北京)

这个。。。行为艺术吗?




《寻找那28人》网页链接 The link to "Searching For That 28 Persons"


http://www.wenjunjie.com/2008-28.html



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本次展出作品 Works on exhibiting




009.07.14 – 上海

昨天傍晚6点联系好了烟台一个寄居,然后跑到上海火车南站买了张今天晚上11点去烟台的硬座车票。本以为现在已经要出发去火车站坐车了,可现在去只能是退票。昨晚8点买好火车票后发短信给她,说15号晚上7点到,她回短信把地址和坐车线路都发给我了。回到住处,正和一些朋友道别,说自己要启程去烟台了。谁知午夜12点,她发来短信,说无法提供寄居了,因为她老公不同意,她老公以离婚来威胁了。我不知道先前她答应的时候是怎么决定的,但我理解她的难处,现在告诉我不能寄居,总比等我到了她家门口时再说,要好很多,"事情的变化总是突然的"。


2009.09.10 - 成都

昨天晚上翠西下班回来告诉我一个消息,我不能继续在她那寄居了,因为和她合租的一位男士不同意。三室一厅,翠西住一间,男士和他女朋友住一间,空一间,唯一提出反对的就是这位男士,没办法,二位女士劝解都无效,只好结束此次寄居。早上翠西特意请了假要送我,我出门就进了网吧,准备联系在成都的下一个寄居。可惜联系了一天都没有联系到,在网上也发了不少消息,没有人回应。在百度贴吧遇到一位刚大学毕业,在成都找工作的男生---小邱,他也没地方住,我俩就跑到成都电子科大附近的网吧来通宵了,我联系寄居,他找工作。


2009.12.31 - 合肥

从武汉过来合肥之前,已经确定可以在这边寄居了。但4个小时火车加2个小时公交车到达目的地的时候,一条短信发过来,不能寄居了,因为她父亲回来了。我很无奈地走在寒冷的大街上,带着两个包,溜达了4个小时后,来到一个网吧,开始通宵。听着外面噼噼啪啪的鞭炮声,迎来了2010年。新年的第一天将是怎样的一天,我也不知道,但愿可以美美睡上一觉。

现在只觉得好累,肩膀好痛。从昨天早上8点出门,到现在,除了昨晚11点到今早7点,其余时间都是在外面溜达,好冷……


寄居系列,装置,文本

Jiju Series, installation, text

2009-2010


2009年2月15日至2010年5月15日,在32个城市寄居了455天,原计划是力争每一天都和陌生人生活在一起,但由于种种原因,还是有不少次的临时变卦和失败,我把这些用文字记录了下来,这三段只是其中的一部分。

From February 15, 2009 to May 15, 2010, I sojourned in 32 different cities for 455 days, and strive to live with strangers every day, but for all kind of reasons, there are still many failure, I recorded this in words, These three sections are only a part of them. 



光的运动会,单频录像,彩色,有声,5'48"

Game of Lights, single channel video, color, sound, 5'48"

2011


四肢固定四个光源,在城乡结合部一条热闹的街道上奔跑,与来往的车辆灯光进行一次短暂的微小运动会。街道两旁的店铺灯光充当了观众和拉拉队的角色。

Fixed four light sources on four limbs, running at a lively street of suburban area, taking a brief sports with the lights of vehicles. Street lights on both sides of the street act as the role of the audience and cheerleaders.



开闪光灯拍摄会更棒之七颗星,网线、汽车反光贴

Taking Photo With Flash Will Be Better: Seven Stars, network cable, auto reflector

2017


这件作品需要使用手机开闪光灯拍摄,通过屏幕才能观看到瞬间的闪亮,并得到一张七颗星的照片。不同品牌不同型号的手机拍出来的效果可能会不一样。

This work should be photographed with the camera flashlight, so it can be seen on screen as a seven-star photo. Different cell phones might come out different photo effects. 



文俊杰,主要关注空间和环境,通常是在已有空间中营造局部或全局的环境,也有部分工作是反向的,从空间和环境中提取物质或非物质的凝聚物。创作涉及装置、视频、图片、文本、行为等媒介。2004年毕业于中南大学计算机系,2004-2006年在珠海金山软件从事反病毒工作,2008年开始从事艺术创作。2009-2011年发起寄居计划,2009年2月15日至2010年5月15日,在全国32个城市73个人那寄居了455天,力争每一天都和陌生人生活在一起,2010年12月5日至2011年3月5日,累计征集33个陌生人来自己住处一起生活。2016年创立寄居画廊,通过寻求他人提供展示空间来扩大艺术家和作品在社会中的参与度并期待因此带来的新的可能。


Wen Junjie, focuses primarily on space and environment, usually creating a local or global environment in the existing space, and some of which work are in reverse, extracting matter or non matter condensates from space and environment. His creation involves devices, video, images, text, performance and other media. He graduated from the Department of computer science of Central South University in 2004 and worked in Zhuhai Kingsoft from 2004 to 2006. He began to work in the field of art in 2008. 2009-2011 launched the Jiju project, from February 15, 2009 to May 15, 2010, Wen Junjie lived in 32 Cities with 73 different person for 455 days, strive to live with strangers everyday, from December 5, 2010 to March 5, 2011, a total of 33 strangers have been recruited to live with Wen Junjie himself. Founded the Jiju Gallery in 2016, sought to bring new possibilities to artists and works by seeking other people to provide space for display.